If starting a high growth company is this demanding and obnoxious, what’s the point? Seems like many of the other VCs were pretty decent though. The author didn't out them, and they were the people that feel wronged by them. Bad investors, bad board members, and even bad incubators are a dime a dozen. (we obviously disagree and both perspectives are opinion based). There are degrees of dirty laundry airing that could end up burning bridges with people you've never even met before. [edit] Is giving the accused a platform to defend himself that unpopular of an opinion? Collaborative Fund is an "anchor investor" in CircleUp's $3 million … There is absolutely nothing wrong with knowing about, and discussing who it is and possibly who else has had the same experiences - as long as it isn’t mudslinging but a professional discussion. Eg encouraging the author to take time off etc. Collaborative Fund Raises $33 Million Second Fund, Adds Nexon Founder Jay Kim As Venture Partner. And even if the VC was identified, if the writer didn't invent any of those stories (you wanted inaccuracy, right? The former CEO should take down the feedback email, as he is exposing himself and others to legal liability. sounds like Craig Shapiro is the likely culprit here. Wow, this really struck home with me. Hopeless narcissists who read Ian Rand and The Prince in their teens, and think of themselves as Tony Stark when they're really just Russ Fucking Hanneman. And in our day and age you're considered a winner! That’s terrible news and I’m very sorry for you. One of the funds mentioned in the wikipedia article and that also matches the description from the email removed CircleUp from their portfolio website in 2019. YC and many other founder networks have investor databases for this purpose. I wish this guy al the best, this maybe is the best thing he ever did. Others see it as eccentric. It's an uphill battle to make major changes to your style of management. I liked someone's comment about preferring to let the focus be on Ryan's journey, and I suppose that many others here must be feeling a sense of kinship with a fellow entrepreneur as he described candidly and courageously his version of "The Struggle.". Name the board member. > I'm saying that we should keep the identifying info private until the accusations are substantiated. Naming the investor is counterproductive. Conversely, Collaborative Fund led the Series C in November 2015. That’s what I’m trying to diff against but I can’t find good sources. So this guy fired a college buddy who chose to work for him instead of a better-paying job. What I can't believe, in hindsight, was when I asked my doctor if this could be stress related. I remember letting go of someone I had known since college. View Jay Kim’s profile on LinkedIn, the world’s largest professional community. Not sure what sort of due diligence can sniff these jerks out before they join the board, and maybe it's not even possible to turn them away if it's a condition of getting investment. I had gotten to a place where I only focused on the losses and couldn’t accept positive things. All these accept … Collaborative Fund led the Series C round. If you highlight the name, the highlighted text is {{14}}. > When at a board meeting at USV you stopped the meeting and said “guys we just aren’t focused on the right issues, this company has less than 6 months left.” One of the other board members said “ What are you looking at?” (You later realized you weren’t doing the math correctly). Being an avid Lego fan throughout his life, in 2013 he purchased Bricklink, the world’s largest online marketplace for Lego toys. Eyeopening. Thank you for sharing this. And, that draws eyeballs. Just this week he changed the price of the Model S to a meme, $69,420. Outing the investor here will cause significant, irreparable reputational damage to the investor. I think it is of great public service that the email is out in public domain. The Presence of Jay Kim's profile does not indicate a business or promotional relationship of any kind between RelSci and Jay Kim. Listen to signals your body sends, if there is no fun soon, it means STOP. Just look for a firm that had a board seat that is no longer listed on the site and that does not list Circlecup on their site. Overview of CircleUp Growth Capital Fund I. CircleUp Growth Capital Fund I is a closed private equity fund managed by CircleUp. I think what he's saying is that no-one would be willing to take over as CEO unless they had two years of runway ahead of them. Does attempting to be genuine, vulnerable and reflective lead to a bigger audience, or does seeing that the audience gets bigger as a result lead a person to be more genuine, vulnerable and reflective - to a point of artificial oversharing? Here's the blog post that goes along with that tweet stream: Holy cow that feedback. That's a very good letter. He'll be fine. How else can one know one’s wisdom if not through its demonstration? I cut everything unnecessary and try to make my point as clearly as possible in as few words & tweets as possible. I hope, predicated on the notion that this isn't for you, you don't give up on developing another career path. I really wonder when this cycle of typical HN cliches will go away. Tweet storms and email chains like these read like the startup version of Jersey Shore or Housewives of OC. It’s both great and awful at the same time. I'm thankful for that "feedback email", whoever that guy was, he either has a serious case of the Dunning–Kruger effect going on or he deliberately behaved … Helio can scan about 1.2 million companies, identifying … I'm a super Gritter! Some startups are built to grow. I left a FAANG about a year ago to be employee #1 at a startup. He confirmed its him but denies the accusations. 2) Out the investor in private forums where data/information that arises after the publication of this article can be fully considered. Let’s not do that. Mate, you got so lucky, to be alive, to have kids. If the author of this email wanted to point a finger at a specific person, they did a bad job. I think just publishing the event without posting the email leaves enough of a trail for another CEO to reach out and ask "Hey, we're going to work with XYZ and know he used to be on your board. I'm not saying this is fact. The investor isn't here to defend himself, and outing him will cause him irreparable (and perhaps undue) reputational damage. Great lesson for all. You don't have to spend it in slavery to possessions. You may see it as just 'discussing some random topic on a forum'. He's saying that no reasonable CEO will sign on to a company that is months away from going bankrupt. I think you misunderstood the tweet; the person who posted that tweet is asking the founder and leader of Collaborative Fund to be responsible for the actions of his partners. By outing the guy, you are presuming him guilty and inflicting steep punishment when he could be innocent. Note that, in Ryan's letter, he cites board issues from 2016 to 2019. You can't control what people are interested in, what they want to know more about. I guess the other question is... if there is good to be done, and being this kind of person causes a certain amount of help to hurting communities, does this form of vulnerability capitalism have a downside? Looks like the medium is down. But is it a chicken / egg question? It's clear that people in the industry will be able to figure out who the letter is addressed to - and I would be surprised if the CircleUp CEO didn't realise this. just playing 'respect' to ego psychos for an in fact empty basket filled with $$$ paper. I’m referring to the letter to the board member itself, which apparently wasn’t #obvious to readers on HN. Very revealing at the board level. How do you handle this type of issue? I'm happy everything worked out for you Ryan. It seems unlikely they would tolerate the sort of behavior Ryan described. This would be an immediate red flag in my book. Because they don't need to follow the typical path of traditional businesses, which are dependent on cash flow and customers and mostly industry or region-specific competition. I was thinking more along the lines of his name not appearing in this discussion's title means people searching his name might not find this discussion. However, while the lead investor companies are established, the "partners" of the lead investors listed on crunchbase do seem to fit the fresh investor note. There's way too much detail and it's all incredibly flattering, stuff like: He is known for strategic investments that aren’t limited to gaming companies, and he has acquired firms and invested in various fields. CircleUp’s Classifier compiles and … > That said, I do wonder how Elon Musk, who's simultaneously trying to send humanity to Mars, convert the world to electric cars and solar panels, and create direct neural uplinks doesn't crack from the pressure though. I don't see this as a case where a weak party is unable to fairly attack the powerful. > Keeping information in a quiet private forum makes it inaccessible to people at large. I was wondering where I knew that name from... there's a module about Ryan & CircleUp in the HBS Disruptive Innovation Course -. Tickers TC. I don't think there is a legal argument here. This investor sold right during or after the series C. might be Brendan Dickinson from Canaan for the Series B. Doxxing on HN feels like it should have an extremely good reason to do so, IMHO. Jay Kim was a fairly fresh venture investor at the time; the model and operation of NXC/Nexon's investment arm was quite different to the traditional VC. There is absolutely nothing wrong with knowing about, and discussing who it is and possibly who else has had the same experiences - as long as it isn’t mudslinging but a professional discussion. > I don’t think there’s anything particularly wrong about it, As a father of three, I often feel I don't have enough time to be a good parent to that many. Collaborative Fund, CircleUp Partner to Back B Corps. He even admits to taking this investment and giving up a board seat without ever meeting in person. > Keeping the info private does nobody any good. This is an honest warning showing the real consequences of that incorrect view. Gods this is CEOs have become now. Does the struggling CEO help them land on their feet? There are some societal tools that exist to fight against baseless slander in a public forum but, tbh, the US has resisted adopting those. Three names have been named. I'm not suggesting that people try to reverse engineer it, but clearly the open letter was meant to be partially retaliatory and partially a warning to others in this space. I hope your prognosis is excellent. Kim Kardashian and Katie Holmes are devotees of Barry’s hour-long sessions that are known to burn up to 1000 calories. That was the biggest mistake of my career. What would you propose? However, keeping shitty people protected by keeping the info private does nobody any good. I'm not suggesting that people try to reverse engineer it, but clearly the open letter was meant to be partially retaliatory and partially a warning to others in this space. Jay Kim was a fairly fresh venture investor at the time; the model and operation of NXC/Nexon's investment arm was quite different to the traditional VC. I don’t think there’s anything particularly wrong about it, but it’s sad for his kids. It warns many first time CEO's of the dark side of raising money from naive VC's who never ran a company before becoming VC. February 26, 2014. Twitter is the worst for long form messaging. > By outing the guy, you are presuming him guilty and inflicting steep punishment when he could be innocent. You can't control what people are interested in, what they want to know more about. I am really starting to get agitated by this pettiness on HN. They, after all, have the money and influence to pay for much more professional attacks than the weak can scrounge together. I don't see this as a case where a weak party is unable to fairly attack the powerful. Unless you are 100% sure you are correct, all speculation should be avoided since you could cause severe damage to others by misattribution. I am also a developer in the Silicon Valley and I agree with everything you said 100%. I read this as a bunch of whining that reflects poorly on the CEO. Where is the fun? I hope his prognosis is good. Except the powerful will simply use those tools to baselessly attack the weak especially those that pose problems to them. 2019-07-23 … I'd wake up in the middle of the night nauseated. I don't think the lead investor's name is necessarily 6 characters. Very revealing at the board level. I read through the whole thing, including the emails he shared. I'm equally cynical. Some snippets below for folks who may not read the whole thing. He, and other board members, tried so hard to do the right thing and convince me to take care of myself.". They, after all, have the money and influence to pay for much more professional attacks than the weak can scrounge together. He confirmed its him but denies the accusations. Rihanna invested in Partake Foods, a Black-owned allergy-friendly food brand that just closed a $4.8 million Series A financing round. But your point is valid as well - nobody wants to jump onto a ship that's about to go down. Except the powerful will simply use those tools to baselessly attack the weak especially those that pose problems to them. They only care about the dynamics of investment return vehicles. > and I would be surprised if the CircleUp CEO didn't realise this. That said, I do wonder how Elon Musk, who's simultaneously trying to send humanity to Mars, convert the world to electric cars and solar panels, and create direct neural uplinks doesn't crack from the pressure though. I never give up! Board members end up choosing the CEO, do they not? CircleUp Network Inc., a startup that connects accredited investors with stakes in consumer goods and retail businesses, has raised a $30 million round of Series C venture … Jay Kim was a fairly fresh venture investor at the time; the model and operation of NXC/Nexon's investment arm was quite different to the traditional … Two of the names are from the same throwaway account (unless something was changed with edits). Money brings so much suffering and our entire society is built on it. I worried that the team would use my diagnosis as an excuse to throw in the towel, that my health would become a distraction, cause the company to fail and make things that much worse. If you highlight the name, the highlighted text is {{14}}. For the next several months, my emotions would sometimes pour out in a tidal wave of tears and yelling. If you can find a way to turn a grilled cheese business into a billion-dollar return-generating vehicle, then the VC will invest in it. >> There is absolutely nothing wrong with knowing about, and discussing who it is. What did you think of that class? CircleUp is a well-known fundraising platform for consumer products. Various digestion issues and stomach pain. Banks can loan to traditional businesses they understand. It didn’t used to exist in tech. Last week equity and investment crowdfunding platform CircleUp and venture capital firm the Collaborative Fund announced the launch of Collab+Consumer, a new fund on CircleUp for … The entrepreneurship ecosystem is full of narcissists, blowhards, and self-important people who believe that since they are managing other people's money they therefore have more wisdom and insight than anyone else. Here we are deep into a comment thread about a completely different company and you are spreading elon's message about the price chance of his product for free. He clearly values their respect so one of them (or better all of them) needed to sit him down for a talk. Do you want to live in a world where someone's reputation and livelihood can be destroyed by unsubstantiated claims? I'd never heard of CircleUp before this, and their slogan "Creating a transparent and efficient market to drive innovation for consumer brands" still doesn't tell me what exactly it is that they do. Isn't it the whole point of having co-founders so that you can share the trauma? He stops short of naming the difficult board member, but it wouldn't exactly be difficult to figure out who it was from all the clues. When I write a blog post I naturally end up optimising for writing quality, and what could have been 5 tweets ends up as 1,500 words. But I feel the pain everyday of having to answer to my managers who are constantly asking for status on my projects. https://www.ted.com/talks/jon_ronson_when_online_shaming_goe... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_stair. There are so many things in life that I am curious about like singing, drawing, gardening, bird watching, etc. Is it just me, or do people in the tech startup world know this personality type all too well? I was thinking more along the lines of his name not appearing in this discussion's title means people searching his name might not find this discussion. "-situation and nothing ever happens, because "It could have been true, right?". Huh. If the author of this email wanted to point a finger at a specific person, they did a bad job. And, honestly, hackernews is probably the single most relevant forum you could find to discuss this on - it has a general lean toward tech but it is run by ycombinator which is specifically interested in all things investment. I always wonder why people use Twitter for these braindumps? I love taking pictures of people playing sports at all levels. Not to mention what I would consider the most important commitment for any parent: how does he find enough time to be a good father to his 6 kids? Yet you lost years of your life, plus all your kids' early childhood fretting over terrible bosses. Specifically, a vet was "grumpy", and charged 3x markup for some medication, which apparently was true but hand waved away in the hearing with the excuse around delivery and overheads. Share Us With The World Relationship Science 5 … They had done nothing wrong, yet suddenly there was no longer a place for them. You don't realise you're in the thick of it until it's too late. Most VCs at that company would think it wasnt about them because they aren't so badly behaved. In general, yes, but in this case the most convincing candidate is a billionaire. And you're telling readers - it's GRIT! But now I’ve now come to understand that persistence is a double-edged sword, and my decision not to take a break, to not take more off my plate, hurt me, my family and the company. It is a transient response I feel to the money printing since, well, technically 2001. I don’t know the details but it seems possibly important, not just for show? Bad investors, bad board members, and even bad incubators are a dime a dozen. I agree this is the downside of my proposed approach. Gods this is CEOs have become now. Is this guy really contributing so much to society that it's just he has enough money to "call in the best doctors in the country" while the workers are left with squat? I wasn't considering the series C because the timelines didn't really add up, but I took a second look and it actually fits the points in the letter. I'm saying that we should keep the identifying info private until the accusations are substantiated. You should keep in mind that the investor may actually be innocent here. Therefore, it is not likely to be their best option, which means the candidates who are interested are more likely to be not-so-great CEO candidates. You call it erratic. It might be cliche because its a problem often seen repeated. sounds like Craig Shapiro is the likely culprit here. As an avid philanthropist, Jay … In 2015, CircleUp raised a $22 million fund, the CircleUp Growth Fund, which would match investments coming through its platform. 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